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    Smart City: Pros and Cons

    Welcome to the world of reality. Frankly, I do not see any future in the proposed Smart City. IT has become the most misused acronym among the technically educated middle class in Kerala. IT development won't bring social development, if it is of no use to the day to day life of the working people in Kerala. We now are in a state of wonderland created by the main stream media. We expect the almighty Microsoft, Cisco, and Intel Gods to come and save us from our miseries. We bluntly blame the left parties for blocking development, particularly V S Achuthandan for trying to block all the heavenly gifts the smart city is going to bring in.

    If the government is truly committed in bringing IT development, it should provide the infrastructure for the best technically educated people in Kerala, instead of inviting big multi-national corporations from aboard. Using a fraction of the cost involved in the current smart city project, the goverment should invite proposals from engineering/software professionals and finance their needs in buying development tools for their proposed projects. The professionals could in turn translate their proposed projects into reality and bring those multi-national corporations to their bargaining table for business. We must not limit ourselves into mere module writers or technical supporters for the multi-national corporations, instead be bold and enterpenurial enough in doing business with Microsoft/Intel corporations. We need to come up with competitve embedded/software solution providers and should be in a position to negotiate with these giants in IT.

    Unfortunately, our leaders like Mr. Ommen Chandy, Kannalikutty are too timid and short sighted in seeing the future, so is the crowd of well educated technocrats in our society. If our dreams about a prosperous tomorrow is going to end up circling around a 'Smart city', there is no future for us. Big corporations have no legal bindings on them to stay in and provide food for these job seekers. Tomorrow, they could walk out of this smart city and leave behind us a trail of destruction.

    This is what V S Achuthandan is saying. We need to be in charge here. We must not be dictated by some multi-national corporations on how to shape our future. Our land is precious and we must not let anybody to turn this precious land as their junkyard. We can see how sincere our government by looking how they treat other sections of our society. Cashew/textile/coir/farm workers are struggling to meet their ends meet and the government is not at all interested in bringing any relief to this economically troubled parts of our society. They are more interested in signing land deals with DIC and trying to hide the details of these deals. They have no time and land resources to provide relief to the indigenous people of Kerala, the beedi worker, farmers who end their lives like fireflies. They are more interested in protecting mafias and shouting IT slogans. Mr. Achuthanadan is not against bringing jobs to our state through smart city, he is only against the secret agenda of Mr. Chandy's government.

    I am totally against the proposed idea of smart city. I see this as no solution to the development of our society, but, rather as a last minute attempt by a struggling government to save its face and projecting themselves as the saviours.

    Joseph Joseph
    Toronto, Canada
  • #228
    I truely agree with your point
    >"We must not limit ourselves into mere module writers or technical supporters for the multi-national corporations, instead be bold and enterpenurial enough in doing business with Microsoft/Intel corporations."

    But i see this as one step ahead of what we are planning to achive now. First let us support these people from our home land and as a next step we can do as you sighted. In short, the first attempt should be to stop brain drain from our land and try to use it from our on land so that some improvement will come to our overall progress and become confident enough to proceed for the second step.

    Political parties will be doing the things for there own benefit , but something is always better than nothing..

  • #229
    Umman chandy is short sightened about future???
    VS achu has a vision for our state??

    I think you are a Jelousy on kerela or an idiot or a canedian spy to promote anti Kerela activities.

  • #234
    But i see this as one step ahead of what we are planning to achive now. First let us support these people from our home land and as a next step we can do as you sighted. In short, the first attempt should be to stop brain drain from our land and try to use it from our on land so that some improvement will come to our overall progress and become confident enough to proceed for the second step.

    Political parties will be doing the things for there own benefit , but something is always better than nothing..
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    Smart city is not a one step ahead. We do not need the presense of a smart city to stop the brain drain (frankly, I don't know what this phrase mean). My point is that, development doesn't mean IT development. IT is just a part of our socio-economic development. If we fail to see this big picture at the point, by allocating our precious land and other resources to multi-national corporations, we are doomed. I want this goverment to show some leadership, rather than surrendering itself to a smart city project proposed by some company from Dubai. Currently, Mr. Chandy's government have no existing IT policy, no vision for a technological advancement using our brilliant minds. The main obstacle before any IT/Engineering entrepreneur is the high cost of development, debugging, simulation software/hardware tools. I would like to see the government to invest in this and provide these tools to young entrepreneurs, free of cost or on a lease. Technical specifications are available free of cost from internet or our engineers could come up with their own specifications, implement them, and we could sell our design innovation at a highly competitive price in the world market. If Intel/ Cisco could find some product they could buy from us for a $1 profit, they will catch the next flight to Cochin.

    We must not submit ourselves as slaves of multi-national corporations, in return for a false pride of saying to others that, 'I work for Intel' or 'I work for Microsoft'.

  • #235
    Umman chandy is short sightened about future???
    VS achu has a vision for our state??

    I think you are a Jelousy on kerela or an idiot or a canedian spy to promote anti Kerela activities.
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    Well Mr. RUDE HAT,

    Kerala has two kind of leaders, one group created by mass uprisings against British, landlords, Divans and their stooges. Mr. Achuthanadan belongs to this group.

    The other group was created my the mainstream media, like 'MaMa' alias MalayalaManorama and similar publications.

    Mr. Chandy and Mr. Antony, in their early days as leaders of KSU/Youth spend their nights in No. 10 lodge/hotel rooms, whenever they were away from their home as a part of their 'political' work. You could be wondering, why No. 10!!. For Mr. Antony and Mr. Chandy, as well as for other similar leaders in congress, No. 10 was a lucky number.

    No. 10 Janapath street (Official residence of the prime minister of India)
    No 10. Dowing Street (Official residence of the prime minister of Briton)

    Spending their nights in No.10 lodge/hotel rooms could one day take them to No. 10 Janapath street. This was their vision about the future of our country.

    You could ask more about this, if you could meet any living lodge managers of those times.
    Now you can see, how much vision they have about this country and its future. Later one of them was branded as 'Adarshvadi', and the other as a lion of Puthupally, by the main stream media.

    But remember, its this kind of 'smartness and vision', they are trying to bring into the proposed 'SMART CITY'.

    Joseph

  • #240
    Joseph Joseph Toronto, Canada

    Why did you went to Canada? It is capitalist state. Fo to Cuba, North Korea or China instead man

  • #244
    Why did you went to Canada? It is capitalist state. Fo to Cuba, North Korea or China instead man
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    Why you are not inviting me to Kerala? or has it become 'Dogs own country', because of people like you?.

    Joseph

  • #260
    Joseph,

    We have VS achu here to destory everything. You are not required here.

  • #268
    Some people are making real fun here…they are living in a Capitalist country and enjoying the freedom and wealth there…and making tears on kerala….This people may be against the Express highway also…Mr. Joseph…Don’t you feel shy to talk like this???...How come , their leader Achu did his surgery in a Capitalist country only…his son did MCA using management seat only…

    Dear friend, Don’t bark like a dog, please understand the situation…Kerala was following the ideology what you described earlier…then what we achieved??? Both government ruled in kerala alternatively….So cannot put the blame to one party…Now can you tell that kerala is a progressed state??...then please keep quite and enjoy your life in that Capitalist country…..Please don’t disturb us…please…..

  • #269
    I guess this Joseph is not aware of what made Bangalore in front of IT industry eventhough we start the first technopark at Trivandrum. Its too sad to know that there are many other specimens existing like VS.
    Please understand the fact that we keralite alone can not beat Microsoft or any other multinational since the whole world is with them. If we fight against them we will loose only our future.
    Ha ha.... making our own start ups to beat Microsoft !! No other evidence is required to understand how stupidly these VS- Joseph species are thinking

  • #270
    Joseph are u living in a imaginary world? Did u come to India before? Are really aware of what is happening in kerla and India? Our achu is taking the job less flocks to street to protect againt smart city without knowing, what they are doing. Do u think any achu’s follower is doing it by knowing the actual pros and cons of it.? We are the victims of our LDF leaders, in the pursuit of their temporary political motives. Do you think we can start a business in kerala after building the complete infrastructure? Did you forget about our 5 year plans of India how much we are spending how much we are getting? Do you think kerala can produce something on agriculture and textile where most of the 4 cores of people depend on foreign money to do their day today living?

  • #273
    By brain drain, I mean the brain, which was developed here, in our state or country is being used in some other country, as what you are doing now, for their prosperity and of no use in any ways to our land. In fact if we are working here no matter for a multinational, at least we are up to that standard of working with a multinational. At least your day-to-day expenses will be falling in to the hands of the unemployed brothers here.
    Also we cannot have a long vision and start the work, let’s start with a small step and go ahead and reach a stage where we can challenge the world. Let’s sit first and then think of stretching the legs.

    One more thing I would like to say is that as none of the educated lot are interested in competing the election and find a way in shaping the states future as per an educated mind, people like our current politicians will rule us with there kind of vision which is a vision to grab the power only and not for any development of people or state.

    So either people like you and others there, should come from Canada and compete the election and become part of the decision making team to make your vision come true or we should accept the fact as I told before that something is better than nothing as the land where the proposed smart city is coming ( I personally own some land in the proposed smart city which includes paddy fields as well, which is not in use for long) can be used or as you envisaged putting to risk, for our development.

    I strongly agree with your statement that “Govt should provide the infrastructure for the best technically educated people in Kerala”, The current infrastructure is better than before for investment in IT related activities in kerala. Hope it will be still better in coming years by wiping out completely our favorite brand of trade unionism. But as you told, we are not in a position to challenge the world, for that we required the needed exposure, which can be achieved by this kind of project called “Smart City”

  • #276
    Quote:>IT development won't bring social development, if it is of no use to the day to day life of the working people in Kerala

    I belive you are more worried about people other than software engineers. Appreciate your concern.

    Well do you think smartcity and IT companies will give some benifit to people working there only. Why are you blind aganist the indirect jobs offered from such a huge project. I worked in technopark for more than one year. I could really feel how possitively it influence the common and unpreviliged people around it.

    Two aspects are here
    1) Lot of indirect jobs
    If you have ever been to Karyavattom/sreekaryam you will feel it. So many small hotels, Workshops, Banks, Laundary, Stationary shops, ...List is so huge.. ... All of ther business depend on employees of technopark only.

    Also if you have eyes you will find the number of people engaged in these companies in jobs other than software. They include, Security people, Cleaning workers, Drivers, Helpers in various areas..All of them are from trviandrum or around only. Now can you say it wont give any benifit to common man?

    2) I am not sure whether you are familiar with or aware of the charity works offer by these companies.
    Let me just cite one example to show how IT company can help unpreviliged people/children.

    Just taking an example of US Software(US Technology) in Technopark,

    Lot of money and Man power is spend by USS every year for orpahnages, for very poor people at slums, Poor patients in medical college tvm, and lot more...

    To put the facts in figures, USS spent last year TEN THOUSAND man hours and more than TEN thousand dollors last year for community programs alone..

    USS is helping an organisation called prathibhaposhini to help very poor but very bright students from backward schools in an around tvm.
    You can visit the website sponsored by ust at <www.prathibhaposhini.com >

    Whose money is this? From where these money comes ? It is from nowhere else from multinationals only.

    I saw in one reply you wrote like "why are we not inviting you to kerala" , Yes I invite you to kerala. Why are not coming down? Where will you work in kerala? Will you be satisifed with work/remuneration available in kerala?

    Regards
    Pradeep George,

  • #304
    Dear friend, Don’t bark like a dog, please understand the situation…Kerala was following the ideology what you described earlier…then what we achieved??? Both government ruled in kerala alternatively….So cannot put the blame to one party…Now can you tell that kerala is a progressed state??...then please keep quite and enjoy your life in that Capitalist country…..Please don’t disturb us…please…..
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    Mr. Jain Jose,

    I hope you are educated enough to give a decent answer to my concerns and the issues I raised at this forum. Look at your words, and you still wonder why we have not progressed?. Its because of people like you, Riva, S. George and the list goes on....

    If I am going to start a design firm in Kerala, I don't want any person like you working for me, instead, I could hire a 'Choomathoo thozhilali' from Cochin market, and train him to do that job, because, my experience tells me that they listen more than you guys do. If you are employed somewhere, I feel pity for that employer.

    Joseph

  • #306
    Answer Submitted By : Pradeep George 5/26/2005
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    Thanks Mr. P. Geroge, excellent reply. I do agree with you that IT development brings in jobs. I am not against IT development or any techological advancement. Yes, there will be laundry services, drivers, small teashops spring around any IT parks or similar establishments. Recently someone told me that, with the arrival of cell phones in our society, fishermen were able to do business more quickly than before, so is the business of prostitution. I hope nobody will come forward to say that the life of these prostitutes has become better because of this cell phone technology. In these satellite businesses a few people benefits, but majority are still struggling.

    You take the position that, there should be some elite people, technically educated, and they should be given first preference, others could live by serving them, doing their laundry, driving their cars and end up like 'The miserables'. Ofcourse, they are earning, and making a life, but, think about this, do they have all the benefits, like health care coverage, a decent menu on their dining tables, good educational future for their kids.

    US Software do charity. All these big corporations do this kind of charity work as a part of their public relations excersise. But, tomorrow, if there is an economic recession, they could walk out of technopark, so is their charity work.

    Some people mock at me for writing these words from a capitalist country. Here too, I see beggers and prostitutes in the streets. You can see, children dress like characters from Charles Dicken novels, wandering in the poor neibhourhoods of this city, teenage girls wearing little clothes to lure some sexually pervert customers. You wont see this pictures from travel stories written in 'Vanitha' or Malayala Manorama, by their executive editors.

    Joseph

  • #307
    SORRY FOLK.

    You need a 101 on global economy. You looks like still a 'frog in the well in Toronto'. When snow melts come out and have some nice breath and think above petty mind.

    If Kerala take your turn

    Dinesh beedi is the only industry in Kerala !!!

    Sit in Toronto and don't throw thrash to Kerala.

    Humple request from

    Munshi

  • #311
    Dear Munshi,

    If I am correct, the word 'Munshi' means scholar in English. But, you don't sound like a Munshi, more like a 'Mookshikan'.

    Joseph

  • #312
    Thanks from Munshi.
    Well I challenge you come and live in Kerala. Who want and will listen the free advice of folks like you.
    After freely educated and migrated and well settled in a foreign soil folks like you are ready to take care of mother country !
    If you are since to the words do some creative investment in Kerala as an NRI. This is well understood and a good helping hand.
    Negative politics of communists take the state no where. And the 'support' of capitalist communists also going to take the state anywhere.
    A clean person like Mr. Umman Chandy is doing his level best to minimise the sufferings of the Keralites and people like you are ridiculing his sincerity ? Is this creative mind or hypocrisy??

    So take the challenge from Munshi.
    lOve
    Munshi

  • #315
    Answer Submitted By : Pravasi 5/26/2005
    I guess this Joseph is not aware of what made Bangalore in front of IT industry eventhough we start the first technopark at Trivandrum. Its too sad to know that there are many other specimens existing like VS.
    Please understand the fact that we keralite alone can not beat Microsoft or any other multinational since the whole world is with them. If we fight against them we will loose only our future.
    Ha ha.... making our own start ups to beat Microsoft !! No other evidence is required to understand how stupidly these VS- Joseph species are thinking

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    Mr/Ms. Pravasi,

    City of Bangalore has more infrastructural advantage over Trivandrum. IISc, HAL to name a few, belongs to Bangalore. Weather wise, Bangalore is a better option. Now you realise, that starting a Technopark or Smart city alone won't bring all the dividends.

    Beating Microsoft: Read my points before commenting on them. I was not calling for a fight with Microsoft or intel. From my experience as a Digital IC core/embedded software designer, I worked with big corporations like Intel/Sony supporting products sold to them. They include JPEG/PCI USB. These specifications can be downloaded from the internet and anybody with some knowledge in Verilog/VHDL and VLSI can start designing them, but, it requires, a variety of tools like Modelsim/Synopsys simulators and synthesisers. Those cores were sold to Intel and Sony in the price range of 30000 - 50000 US dollars, which means 15 to 25 Lakh Indian rupees. The tools will cost about 25000 dollars. If the government can spend this amount for a group of bright people, they could come up with cost effective solutions and be in a position to negotiate with big corporations.

    Microsoft is not a stand alone entity in the world of software and OS. They buy Software applications from other companies too. Proponents of the smart city in this forum take a stand that their lives can only be saved by corporations like Intel and microsoft, so is Chandy's government and the mainstream media. Friends, Show some spine and vision.

    If there is a small recession in US and Europe, this big corporations could walk out of smart city, but, if we have our own design centers, they could survive.

    Mr. Ms/Pravasi, You make me think about a frog that tried breath in to be like an oxen and exploded itself. How do you feel now, stupid or what?

    Joseph

  • #326
    I think this Joseph is a banglorite, he want bangalore to prosper, He was explaining advantage bangalore over TVM and Cochin. These commie assholes dont have love to thier native, nation, people.... They are barberians.

  • #334
    Dear Joseph,

    Thanks for your kind reply. I went through your mail very carefully – and any “Chumattu Thozhilali” can easily understand that you are saying something for the sake of argument.

    Please try to understand this is not a fight between Joseph Vs Jain. This is debate on ideology , Yes we can discuss some points you raised.

    1) You are saying Bangalore has HAL and IISc. Can you tell from your heart this contributed the IT development in Bangalore?...If yes then what made Chennai, Mumbai even Calcutta- better than kerala?

    2) I saw some Jargons you put on Embeded system, ok fine. That is a story of Intel and Microsoft…I am not making a cross debate to waste time. I will tell you a real story which is easy to understand. Here I am working in a company called I-FLEX SOLUTIONS LTD, It is a Indian company and No-1 Banking product company in the World !!! You can cross check this statement- [So don’t think Indians cannot beat foreigners], we sell the product from US to Singapore - Citi Bank to HDFC Bank. There are development centers in Bangalore, Chennai, Pune, Mumbai…but not even though about kerala.

    See what I am trying to say is instead of compete with Intel or Microsoft [
    Yes we can do that parallel] . There are other opportunity also. We cannot start
    anything after setup everything

    3) In kerala we oppose everything…whether it is Express Highway or +2 or Karimanal or Self financing…you know, I am from a village where people opposed Computerization in the Village office…You know which party can do it…It is not the people’s act but party leader asked to do that…
    4) Can you answer one question, you are working in a Capitalist country, most of the Corporate in Canada are owned by US an other foreigners, forget about Canada take Singapore any other Country.. …What is the problem you found there??? Don’t tell me the typical-bullshit Marxist answer “We cannot compare both”, tell me some genuine answer.
    5) You are stating that you don’t want me to join your company…..Do you think that I will join in that firm????...but I wish you all the best for your future endorsement from my heart itself.

  • #341
    Dear Mr Joseph,
    After going thru the whole discussion, I'll tell you one thing. You are an Ideal communist. You care about yourself only, and thatswhat your Leaders like Achu Mama and Pinarayi Vijayan also do.
    Do you have any answer for all the questions asked. How come Achu Mama's Son a MCA guy become the Director of Coir Board. Why the Hell did Pinarayi Vijayan oppose Professional Colleges in private Sector when his daughter/son (whatever) did his/her professional education in a college in Bangalore.
    Why dont you guys want the people of kerala to develpe. Only b'coz if everybody earns his living and lives a prosperous life then you guys wont get anyone as your followers.
    Why the hell doesn't Pinarayi or anyone in LDF oppose this smart city or atleast say something in favour of Achu.
    I'm not against Communism or your ideologies. The only thing here is why cant we have all these reforms implemented in Kerala when the same can be done in Bengal with ease. The bengal govt can have loan from ADB and Japan banks when the communist here oppose it. It was only b'coz of a harthal by the LDF that we lost the BMW guys setting up a factory in Kochi. Right now they are ready to set it up in karnataka/hyderabad/chennai but not in kerala.
    Please give an answer for this, Otherwise just shut up and let me say with great respect - Stop stickin you nose around our ass!!!!

  • #342
    Dear Joseph

    You are not deserve a reply…..but as a last attempt, I am just advising you please go to a psychiatrist for your “Cynical Attitude” problem…..You may got surprise…..I will try to explain how severely cynicism affected you.

    Your Wordings :-
    “Recently someone told me that, with the arrival of cell phones in our society, fishermen were able to do business more quickly than before, so is the business of prostitution. I hope nobody will come forward to say that the life of these prostitutes has become better because of this cell phone technology”

    See your above wordings, you are not interested on the development happened through the mobile phones…but you are more conscious on whether Prostitutes are benefited or not.

    Your Wordings :-
    “Some people mock at me for writing these words from a capitalist country. Here too, I see beggers and prostitutes in the streets. You can see, children dress like characters from Charles Dicken novels, wandering in the poor neighborhoods of this city, teenage girls wearing little clothes to lure some sexually pervert customers. You wont see this pictures from travel stories written in 'Vanitha' or Malayala Manorama, by their executive editors.”

    See here even though you are benefited – getting salary from that country….you are not seeing progress achieved by that country[ At least can you agree that there are less poor people than India or kerala]…your eyes are still searching for the beggars in the street…How you want? You don’t want drivers or laundries??? You want everyone become Chip designer…typical Utopian Marxist thought!!!!

    You are telling that we can generate some good people bright people, they could come up with cost effective solutions and be in a position to negotiate with big corporations.

    Did Umman Chandy or Smart city ask anybody not to do that????

    You are not trying to understand the reality ….wearing a thick yellow glass, you are seeing everything as yellow…. you blindly criticize everything in front of you…like our Achuthanandan does!!!!! Creative criticism everybody likes but blind criticism is a stupidity.







    Dear friends ,

    Here I want to put one of the success story of Karnataka ....

    Government of Karnataka setup a three-way joint venture comprising a Singapore based consortium, the Tata Group and the Karnataka Government – ITPL ….It created thousands of job opportunity in Bangalore…..It is similar
    like how kerala government is planning to do with smart city[ Smart city plan is better than ITPL]...Here the only difference is Karnataka people realized the opportunity...but kerala people unnecessarily making voice against the project.

    Please visit through the links

    1) http://www.intltechpark.com/index.htm
    2) http://www.hindu.com/2004/01/13/stories/2004011303491400.htm

    It is very sad to say that we, Keralites are making noise against every project whether it is Express Highway or it is Karimanal or it is +2 or it is self financing college…Just think one thing, where we reached now ???? All other Indian states are making progress and we are still like a Frog in a pond… We are so cynic to find the negative side always…

    Regarding the Transparency…When a government is undergoing a deal, There is a limit for the Transparency…That’s why we elected our Leader to take the decision. Can we ask the transparency on the Diplomatic discussions with Pakistan?....or Military intelligence? We elected our government for 5 years, Let them do something good which will create some job opportunity.




    Dear friend ,

    If you don't know the fact...please don’t' tell that in the forum....Karnataka government asked help from a Singapore company to build ITPL....like how kerala government do it in smart city...Here the only difference is Karnataka people realized the opportunity...but kerala people unnecessarily making voice

    Dear Joseph,

    Thanks for your kind reply. I went through your mail very carefully – and any “Chumattu Thozhilali” can easily understand that you are saying something for the sake of argument.

    Please try to understand this is not a fight between Joseph Vs Jain. This is debate on ideology , Yes we can discuss some points you raised.

    1) You are saying Bangalore has HAL and IISc. Can you tell from your heart this contributed the IT development in Bangalore?...If yes then what made Chennai, Mumbai even Calcutta- better than kerala?

    2) I saw some Jargons you put on Embeded system, ok fine. That is a story of Intel and Microsoft…I am not making a cross debate to waste time. I will tell you a real story which is easy to understand. Here I am working in a company called I-FLEX SOLUTIONS LTD, It is a Indian company and No-1 Banking product company in the World !!! You can cross check this statement- [So don’t think Indians cannot beat foreigners], we sell the product from US to Singapore - Citi Bank to HDFC Bank. There are development centers in Bangalore, Chennai, Pune, Mumbai…but not even though about kerala.

    See what I am trying to say is instead of compete with Intel or Microsoft [
    Yes we can do that parallel] . There are other opportunity also. We cannot start
    anything after setup everything

    3) In kerala we oppose everything…whether it is Express Highway or +2 or Karimanal or Self financing…you know, I am from a village where people opposed Computerization in the Village office…You know which party can do it…It is not the people’s act but party leader asked to do that…
    4) Can you answer one question, you are working in a Capitalist country, most of the Corporate in Canada are owned by US an other foreigners, forget about Canada take Singapore any other Country.. …What is the problem you found there??? Don’t tell me the typical-bullshit Marxist answer “We cannot compare both”, tell me some genuine answer.
    5) You are stating that you don’t want me to join your company…..Do you think that I will join in that firm????...but I wish you all the best for your future endorsement from my heart itself.




    It is very easy to criticize anything….You know what happened in China when College students started criticize the government???? Hundreds of them perished in the spot itself!!!!....When we talk about the success of China, there are brutal murders happened….Then you may raise a question what is the relation between Smart city and China…Dear friend please try to understand the simple logic “Something is better than nothing”…. Its the mindset of malayalees who always do "deep analysis" to project the negative side. Everything is viewed with pessimistic mindset.... When I was in ICICI InfoTech, I directly asked Mr. Srinivasan ( MD)….why can’t it start in Kerala also….then the answer is …there are lot of Strike and trade union problems in Kerala….We must see what is happening in other state….TCS has 46,000 employee ….they are not interested to start any development centre in kerala…only Training division is there….Wipro has 36,000 people…only 40 are working in kerala, Infosys has 35,000 employee how many of them in kerala??? I saw someone telling, if Microsoft comes to kerala they won’t ask about Smart city!!!…we can take this one of the best humor in 2005…my simple question is Why Microsoft not yet come then????

    Dear friends, my simple request is let the government do something….if it make 10 people employment…its fine….Something is better than Nothing



    Some people are making real fun here…they are living in a Capitalist country and enjoying the freedom and wealth there…and making tears on kerala….This people may be against the Express highway also…Mr. Joseph…Don’t you feel shy to talk like this???...How come , their leader Achu did his surgery in a Capitalist country only…his son did MCA using management seat only…

    Dear friend, Don’t bark like a dog, please understand the situation…Kerala was following the ideology what you described earlier…then what we achieved??? Both government ruled in kerala alternatively….So cannot put the blame to one party…Now can you tell that kerala is a progressed state??...then please keep quite and enjoy your life in that Capitalist country…..Please don’t disturb us…please…..

  • #346
    Mr. Jain Jose,

    There is a saying in my language, 'Kadadachoo vedivekkaruthoo'.

    Mr. Achuthanadan is not eligible for a surgery in a capitalist country, where as all those proponents of capitalistic world are eligible. Where did you learn something like this, at schools or at home?. I was taught at schools in Kerala, that we should treat our wounded enemies during a war. I have no idea, how the minds of new generation in Kerala work for development. They sounds like pro-business, bash anything that oppose them and behave like vultures scurrying for a piece of dead meat. To them development means wearing suite, ties, and shiny shoes. They dream themselves of cruising in luxory cars on express free ways, attending confrences, catching flights, dining at McDonalds recycled meat, and sipping poisoned Coco-Cola. They sounds like, they have no problem in selling their mothers and sisters at eBay for their own benefits. On their road to success, they see nothing but currency notes.

    When people of Plachimada cries for a drop of water to cool their throats, pro-chandys will brand them as anti-development. If Beedi/cashew/coir workers, take a procession to the streets to raise their demands, they could be branded as anti-development by pro-chandys.

    Selfishness is hailed and scarifieses are booed.

    Joseph

  • #399
    Dear Joseph,

    Congrats….You are very intelligent….when you are not able to answer any of the argument, you are directly hugging the sentimental issues like any politician!!!!!....I know you are intelligent enough to understand that point which I made….to show the development happened to the capitalist country!!…and not the stupid politician gone there….

    And also you are very smart to talk about our respected former Coir board MD. The most interesting thing is the statement of “Development views”….did anyone asked about the clarification….ha ha ha…

    Common man , come to kerala and join in the politics….Send your beloved kids to Delhi Public School [ I think that is the most expensive self financing school…if you have any doubt just ask your politburo members, they must be there]…And ask poor farmers and fisherman’s sons to throw stones against transport bus….yes they will do it for you, they already proven that….you can also ask the help of “Chumattu Thozhilali”, they will always hear you…as you like…without asking what you are asking them to do!!!!!

    You can also start a “Study centre” there, teach all the poor people about your Embedded Jargons…I am sure…they will hear you…they will believe your theory…and dream on the success of that story….as you wish… but don’t forget one thing …you should have long beard ….at least long hair…like our “Pannian Ravindran”…conduct minimum two bundh a month…and shout …no sorry loudly shout….Inquilab Sindhabad…Inquilab Sindabad…Inquilab Sindabad….

  • #419
    Hi Joseph,
    Most of your points do not deserve comments but still I am wasting my time.
    >>City of Bangalore has more infrastructural advantage over Trivandrum. IISc, HAL to name a >>few, belongs to >>Bangalore. Weather wise, Bangalore is a better option. Now you realise, >>that starting a Technopark or Smart city >>alone won't bring all the dividends.
    The infrastructure of Bangalore is better than Trivandrum but it was mainly by virtue of the IT industrial growth there. Now the growth is out of control and some dirty polititians made things miserable. If you visit bangalore now adays you can feel the difference! In short, if you people allowed our IT idustry to grow Trivandrum would have been better than BLR. Regarding the climate, there was a good old past in BLR but now its fully pollutted and miserable. We also have VSSC and CET at Trivandrum. If you analyse the history you can find that these HAL etc did very little thing in the bangalore's development than the self financing engg college-s did! The main advantage of Bangalore is the telent pool it had which include the scolars from these self financing colleges and professionals driven out from kerala by you people. There may be a small fraction of it come out from IISc and HAL.


    >>Beating Microsoft: Read my points before commenting on them. I was not calling for a fight >>with Microsoft or >>intel. From my experience as a Digital IC core/embedded software >>designer, I worked with big corporations like >>Intel/Sony supporting products sold to them. >>They include JPEG/PCI USB. These specifications can be downloaded >>from the internet >>and anybody with some knowledge in Verilog/VHDL and VLSI can start designing them, but, it >>requires, a variety of tools like Modelsim/Synopsys simulators and synthesisers. Those cores >>were sold to Intel >>and Sony in the price range of 30000 - 50000 US dollars, which means 15 >>to 25 Lakh Indian rupees. The tools will >>cost about 25000 dollars. If the government can >>spend this amount for a group of bright people, they could come >>up with cost effective >>solutions and be in a position to negotiate with big corporations.

    I guess you have some peripheral knowledge in these technologies but still lacks the deep insight. You told that all these spec is available in internet! Yes, it is true for some extent but for getting full information and capable of implementing them we need to get into the core member groups which is not normally possible with small startups like you mentioned. The specs which available out side will be mostly old ones and may already have cheap implementations. Even if you implement it you can not sell it as you wish. There are many other hurdiles for small companies. It will be very difficult for them to get patents and they have to pay huge sums as royalty to other companies which are in front of this development. Setting up of a lab itself will be beyond the margin they could have get by selling their products. I surprise on your words that "These specifications can be downloaded from the internet and anybody with some knowledge in Verilog/VHDL and VLSI can start designing them". You may not aware of the whole project life cycle and licencing and marcketing isues. Please understand that software /firmware development is not as simple as rearing goats under Janakeeyaasootranam. Considering all these things I feel that the Kerala Govt funded small scale software industry can not help Kerala to become the centre of IT industry. Please note that even if the Smart City come this opportunity (Kerala Govt funded small scale software industry) will still exists. Even now the capable people will get bank loan and can start such ventures. There are many success stories too but most of then are by virchue of the hard work they put in and the luck they have ! Giving Govt fund to a group of lazy but smart people wont work!


    >> Microsoft is not a stand alone entity in the world of software and OS. They buy Software applications from >> other companies too. Proponents of the smart city in this forum take a stand that their lives can only be saved >> by corporations like Intel and microsoft, so is Chandy's government and the mainstream media. Friends, Show >> some spine and vision.

    Are you aware of the subcontracting/purchasing process of Microsoft? Anybody with little experience in the IT industry knows how these sub contracting works. Please note that most of the people in this forum knows it and don't try to fool them.

    >> If there is a small recession in US and Europe, this big corporations could walk out of smart city, but, if we >> have our own design centers, they could survive.

    How "our own design centres" survive on such a recession? These design centres are mostly depend on the overseas market which will collapse on such a recession. I don't think you can sell your product in Kerala local market and survive! Unfortunately the whole IT industry is depending on the US or Europe or China market so that a small recession there will affect the industry badly independent of the origin of production. So even with some strong spine and vision you can not standalone. It would have been possible if we start the IT revolution earlier when Technopark is inagurated and now we were in a position to offer full solution to the world like MS Windows or Intel Pentium. But unfotunately people like you were there too.

    >> Mr. Ms/Pravasi, You make me think about a frog that tried breath in to be like an oxen and exploded itself. How >> do you feel now, stupid or what?

    I don't understand what you mean by it which related to my previous answer ! But I can compare you with the frog in the well !

  • #421
    This Joseph is an Achu's campeigner ( Achus son's gangster ). Some how he has to oppose smart city. If you are advising him its like advising at Buffelo's Asshole.

    He shops at wallmart and eats at McDonalds and also he thinks that no Indian should be able to achieve kind of living standards which he is benefitting.

    He needs that indian kids should be raped or married before 18 and should live like cattle.
    He want our people die at hootch trajedy which cased by marxist finaciers.

    He may find article or flesh at ebay something intersting for him.
    Our mothers and sisters are raped multiply through many sex scandals.


    Minors should be sold to work at quarries.
    Teenagers should carry gun expand terrorism.

    His ideas are completly showing his double standrd.
    He may come here and take snaps of suffering and put a bid at eBay for that snaps.

    Shut up Joseph( I dont that's his name) Shut your stupid hole.

  • #433
    Dear Mr Joseph
    I wont be addressing you like this from my next mail onwards if you still keep beating around the bush. I need answers from you and the only thing you say is "Selling sisters and mothers at e-bay?". DO YOU HAVE A MOTHER OR A SISTER? Please dont say that "they'v gone to the church"
    You were saying that some of the participants in this forum were using foul languages, well I cant find any words which sounds more ROTTEN than yours?
    Well I'v got a couple of questoins this time aswell.
    Do you know the net asset of the communinst party of Kerala, well if you dont know, its around 4000 crores. From where did these anti-capitalist get this much of money. And these fools who say that they are always with the POOR, are planning to build a super speciality hospital in Malabar. They are also planning to build AMusement parks as well. Are these needed when your part's main agenda is the well being of the POOR in India. Why cant they build a new hospital for the poor or atleast spend some money from that fund to enhance the facilities of the existing Govt hosp's of kerala.
    I heard you tallking about eating at Mc Donalds and drinking Cokes etc, well, Man let me tell you something can you say that you haven't visited Mc'Donalds there in your "NEW COUNTRY" or haven't had coke atleast once a day.
    YOU ARE A REAL VIRUS....... ASSHOLE...
    Joe.

  • #434
    Mr. Joseph,

    YOU KNOW KERALA IS THE FIRST STATE TO INTRODUCE TECHNOPARK IN INDIA.
    THE IT EXPORTS OF KARNATAKA IS 27500 CORE.
    THE IT EXPORTS OF TAMILNADU IS 12000 CORE
    THE IT EXPORTS OF KERALA IS now 300 CORE.!!!!!!.

    YOU KNOW WHY, IT'S BEACUSE OF ACHU MAMAN WHO TOLD 1 COMPUTER WILL MAKE THE LOSS OF 10 JOBS..HE PROVED TO BE THE MOST INTELIGENT GUY IN KERALA!!!!, AND HE SENT HIS SON TO DO MCA!!!

    NOW TELL ME WHY YOU ARE IN TORONTO.WHY ARE USING THE TISSUE INSTEAD OF WATER. WHY DON'T YOU COME to KERALA AND DO SOMETHING FOR THE CASHEW NUT!!!

    COIR IS SCREWED BECAUSE NOW ACHU MAMAS SON IS THE DIRECTOR OF COIR BOARD.

    Mr. Joseph. it's beacuse of people like you this state is like this. you are simply opposing smart city beacuse the idiot Achu mamma is opposing it.

    LEAVE YOUR POLITICAL BACKGROUND AND THINK AS AN INDEPENDENT CITIZEN. YOU WILL UNDERSTAND SMART CITY WILL DEFENETLEY BRING DEVELOPMENT TO OUR STATE AS IT HAS BROUGHT TO OTHER STATES IN INDIA.

    IF PEOPLE WANT KERALA TO BE A BACKWARD STATE FOR EVER YOU AND ACHU MAMMA ARE THE GUYS TO FOLLOW!!!!

    WHEN YOU SCREW KERALA FROM TORONTO, HELP OTHER KERALITES ALSO TO GET SOME VISA MAN!!!
    LET US ALSO EAT SOME MAC AND USE SOME TISSUES!!!!!

  • #437
    Josephe...ponnu makaane...

    We are planning to kick out achu maman from out party.

    He once gain proved to be an Idiot. Our party is silent about smart city project., but he's still barking..he's not listening to us..

    we have manged to oppose all the project that come to kerala. You know the secret, because less the jobs, more the party workers.

    I know you are opposing this project for that very reason. appreciate your love and concern towards the party.

    But this time it looks like the people understood our cheap politics and it may back fire towards our party.

    so better keep quiet., I saw mail from Achu maman also...He's also got fire in the A** !!

    Don't tell achu mamn that I told you like this.

    Then how's it in Toronto. As you know my daughter will complete her MCA soon. get her something in Toronto itself. I'm talking to Microsoft to get her a Job there , if not US then Canada is the best place to live. Achumamn snatched the Coir from me..

    By the way dont forget our slogan (Don't allow any one to come back to kerala and Un employment is the key to the devlopment of our party).

    Let us lead Kerala to Kala vandi Yugam..

    Lal Slam
    P Vijayan.

  • #549
    --WHAT A SHAME ?? SEE THE STUPID MALAYALIS BRAIN IN THE ABOVE LETTER.
    SPEAK OUT SOME FACTS IF U HAVE OR ELSE GO DIE ..

  • #550
    Thanks for the pros and cons replies to the original message.

    Playing with numbers alone cannot substantiate a claim. 3000 crores of export from here, 20000 crores from there. This is a number game. The real facts are hidden. The pros of IT development and globalisation use this kind of numbers to substanitate their claim, that this land is progressing. You can see these claims in other words from Mr. Chandy and before that from Mr. Antony. 'Last bus to progress', 'Athi Dhooram, Bhahoo vegam'. This kinds of gimmiks are played again and again to convince the educated job seekers that their future is secured. I am not denying the facts that the IT jobs are bringing salaries in the range of lakhs to well educated IT professionals of my land in India. But, these lakhs shows the way the foreign IT firms treat our educated masses. The lakhs gained even by a well educated IT professional is nowhere close to the salary of a Janitor in USA or Canada.

    My argument is that, instead of getting considered as Janitors of foreign IT firms, be a sucessful enterpenuer. My intention was not just to provoke some sloppy heads, but to inspire our aspiring or budding IT professionals and engineers. Unfortunately, they want to remain as Janitors.

    "Oorangunavne ezhunellpikkam, Oorakkam Nadikkunavane ezhunellpikkan prayasamanoo'.

    Joseph

  • #551
    Mr. Joseph,

    Thanks for the advise to be a good entreprenour.
    You did not give any hint about the ideal location for the new venture.
    Shall I come to torento.
    Oh Kerala is the best place to invest!!! Shame on you.
    As per the business studies If any body invests in Kerala, he may risks everything including his life and even underwear. Shuddy keeerum mone.. Commies will start union(kodi kuthum).

  • #556

  • #558
    "Amma Ayya Vallathum tharane
    Njan TORONTOyil jeevikkunna oru PICHA KARAN"

  • #563
    aarum kelkanille ente dena rodanam

  • #568
    I am TAKING BACK MY ARGUMENT.

    UMMAN CHANDI zindabad

    I was under medication (Schizophrenia)

    Schizophrenia A Mental Disease and a Gift

    UMMAN CHANDI zindabad
    UMMAN CHANDI zindabad
    UMMAN CHANDI zindabad

  • #591
    This 'Pulikali' is good

    Joseph


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