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    Smart City is it smart only talking smart city Ommen chandy is doing any "VIKASANAM" ???

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    Hello Frnz, First of all iam not against the smartcity project, Iam very happy to see that smart city
    project coming to cochin(Thanks to Kunjali who took the initial steps . what happend to Italian fashion village ??)

    But after seeing few things i have some doubts let me explain here.

    Our great(???) chief minister ,Oommen chandy is always talking about smarcity going uae and coming back. but there are lot of indian(Infosys,tcs,wipro,satyam) and multinational(nokia,cisco,toyota ...) companies are looking for places to start there new operations.Infosys already invested lot in bangalore,mysore and mangalore(mangalore software export is higher than total keralas software export) and in other states like orissa,tamilnadu,bengal and andhra. I know that infosys has plans in cochin and tvm but no more talks after that and there is no discussion from the govt side.If you see the earning of TCS and Infosys it always higher than the dubai internet city, and they are not the space providers(like dubai internet city) but the employment providers. why our govt is not taking any necessary steps to talk to all this companies and ask them to invest in Kerala.Our near Mangalore and Mysore are very small cities comapred calicut,cochin and tvm, but they have attracted more investors,even coimbatore also attracting more investors.I know that infopark cochin is full and other phases of infopark also booked fully.

    Most of them must have read new plans of infosys,microsoft and wipro in karnataka and andhra and the govt allotted acres from 50 to 1500 in different parts. But our ommen chandy talks somany thing and does nothing and not even taken any necessary steps to get this companies in Kerala.Another thing is there are lot of companies in Kerala, including Keltron and other elctronic and textile companies in Kerala. Every one can see present position of Keltron. And for the textile industry also he has not taken any solid steps,as the Textile business india is overcoming china. My frinds has written lot of plans of investment in Kerala end ecplain the figure , but the govt has taken any steps to making it reality ???? ... no no efforts from govt side..so Mr Ommenchandy is doing lot of "vikasanam",Yes he talks about vikasanam and but does nothing.At least make some trips to bangalore and meet the companies and explain the situtation Insetad of always going to duabai.

    Vinod
  • #1622
    "If you see the earning of TCS and Infosys it always higher than the dubai internet city, and they are not the space providers(like dubai internet city) but the employment providers. why our govt is not taking any necessary steps to talk to all this companies and ask them to invest in Kerala."
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    Kerala government has already allotted land to TCS and Infosys at Trivandrum. TCS has presence at Cochin Infopark as well. Both these companies have plans to have more than 10,000 employees in Kerala in the next 3 years.

  • #1623
    Kerala has a golden opportunity now.

    Most biggies are frustated with Bangalore. Deve Gowda's verbal diarrhoea has added to the frustration. If Kerala positions itself well, it can land quite a number of good companies.

    For now, I don't think anything is going to happen on that front. Elections are approaching and everyone, including Chandy, will be engaged :-(

  • #1624
    Vinod,
    In the current socio-economic-political scenario, domestic/international companies are not as interested in Kerala as they are in the other states. As Ajit said, they are gradually getting interested. Giving land to DIC is not going to make the future prospects of Indian software companies investing in Kerala any bleaker. It will only brighten those prospects.

    >>Another thing is there are lot of companies in Kerala, including Keltron and other elctronic and textile companies in Kerala. Every one can see present position of Keltron.
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    There's a fundamental difference between the manufacturing industries that you are talking about and Smart city. In case of Smart city, the entire investment will be from the DIC. We just have to provide them with the land at subsidised rate. Beyond that the govt need not worry about the management/marketing etc. Whereas in case of companies like Keltron, it will require significant investment from the govt to make them globally competitive. Even after investing such a huge amount, there's no guarantee about the returns. The Kerala govt doesn't have the economic muscle to take this risk.

    If you are a venture capitalist then will you back Keltron so that it can compete with Samsung, Sony etc???

    Whereas if the Smart city doesnot become profitable then it is not going to affect the govt. The risk factor is almost entirely with DIC.

  • #1625
    Kerala government has already allotted land to TCS and Infosys at Trivandrum. TCS has presence at Cochin Infopark as well. Both these companies have plans to have more than 10,000 employees in Kerala in the next 3 years.

    Hello Author: Ajith Ramachandran Nair


    TCS has presence in Kerala long back and they have training centre in TVM.You have written the
    "plans" of both the companies but govt has taken any steps to making it reality ?????. Ommen did any talks with the companies?????, and the number 10000 is just the INFOSYS One year
    new recruitments.when infosys is going to start operation ????For your best knowledge all the infoparks in Kerala are fully occuppied and new phases of infopark also fully occuppied.The "plans" of Ommenchandy is never comes to
    reality except Smart city my friend all other "plans" are just like when stunami come he told
    construct a wall so all other plans are just "tsunami walls".I am not personally attacking Ommenchandy.

    Efby Antony

    In the current socio-economic-political scenario, domestic/international companies are not as interested in Kerala as they are in the other states. As Ajit said, they are gradually getting interested. Giving land to DIC is not going to make the future prospects of Indian software companies investing in Kerala any bleaker. It will only brighten those prospects.

    Hello Efby,

    All the technology parks in Kerala are fully occuppied and new phases of infopark also fully occuppied. so i dont think so the "current socio-economic-political scenario" is not affecting
    companies to setup here.But the necessary steps are not taken from the governments side.
    you cannot always blame "current socio-economic-political scenario" .About Keltron , You can
    see the companies in Bangalore like HAL,HMT and others have changed according to the new trends and making it profitable.But if keltron do only projects for kerala govt it can make profitable Mr.Efby,

  • #1626
    >>All the technology parks in Kerala are fully occuppied and new phases of infopark also fully occuppied. so i dont think so the "current socio-economic-political scenario" is not affecting
    >>companies to setup here.But the necessary steps are not taken from the governments side.
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    Just getting them occupied is not the point. Is the govt receiving a healthy ROI? Are they contributing to our software exports significantly? Are they providing adequate employment opportunities?

    The govt invested around 90 crore rupees for infopark. The returns (including expenses) per annum is less than 6 crores. So the net profit per annum could be around 3-4 crores (6 crores minus expenses). ie, the return on investment is around 3% to 4%. You'll get much more that that amount if you put the original amount(90 crores) in fixed deposit. So you can clearly see that it is not at all profitable. The case of Technopark is also more or less the same. The govt expansion of Infopark & Technopark would mean additional investment from the govt without any tangible returns. Do you think that Kerala govt can afford that?? In case of Smart City, the govt is not making any investment at all, DIC is making it.

    Please check out the this link to see the companies that are operating in Infopark: http://www.infoparkkochi.com/atoz.php The only two big names are Wipro & TCS. To the best of my knowledge, both the companies don't have a development centre here. The other companies are: Amlaki,Art,Exsyst Inc,Iormyx, Jacobsons BPO, Promyx etc. Do you think that these companies can significantly contribute to Kerala's software exports??? More or less the same case with Technopark. Just compare that with the scenario of Infopark operating under the DIC umbrella and DIC's clients like Microsoft, Oracle, HP, IBM, Dell, Siemens, Canon, Logica, EDS, Sony Ericsson, SAP, Cisco etc setting up their operations there. What do you think will be more benificial to Kerala(In terms of employment figure, average salary, software exports, technical expertise etc)?

    >>you cannot always blame "current socio-economic-political scenario"
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    If a company has to start its operation in Kerala, then it has to first of all worry about the stikes, hartals, militant trade-unions, anti-development mentality of the people and what not??? This is what I meant by the current socio-economic-political scenario. How many companies have we sent back packing??? How many small-medium scale industrialists have gone bankrupt in Kerala because of the unreasonable demands of the trade-unions?? Despite all this, do you expect industries to start their operation in Kerala?


    >>.About Keltron , You can see the companies in Bangalore like HAL,HMT and others have changed according to the new trends and making it profitable.But if keltron do only projects for kerala govt it can make profitable Mr.Efby,
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    HAL belongs to a different category altogether. Aeronautics has not been opened up to the private sector(to the best of my knowledge) and the govt holds monopoly there. But HMT??????????????????? Are you claiming that HMT is profitable?????

    About Keltron, my question still remains unanswered. If you are a venture capitalist then will you back Keltron? Yes or No? If yes then you can still go ahead and do it, taking a loan from the bank, and share the profit. If 'No' then why do you expect the govt to shoulder this additional liability??

  • #1627
    <<< Please check out the this link to see the companies that are operating in Infopark: http://www.infoparkkochi.com/atoz.php The only two big names are Wipro & TCS. To the best of my knowledge, both the companies don't have a development centre here. The other companies are: Amlaki,Art,Exsyst Inc,Iormyx, Jacobsons BPO, Promyx etc. Do you think that these companies can significantly contribute to Kerala's software exports??? More or less the same case with Technopark. Just compare that with the scenario of Infopark operating under the DIC umbrella and DIC's clients like Microsoft, Oracle, HP, IBM, Dell, Siemens, Canon, Logica, EDS, Sony Ericsson, SAP, Cisco etc setting up their operations there. What do you think will be more benificial to Kerala(In terms of employment figure, average salary, software exports, technical expertise etc)?
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    The clients OF DIC Microsoft, Oracle, HP, IBM, Dell, Siemens, Canon, Logica, EDS, Sony Ericsson, SAP, Cisco all are having good development centres in India.so what your trying tell is
    Once DIC setup here all the companies immedetely come and setup there development centres here ?????.You have to understand that all these companies having very good plans in India and they are working for that.So suddenly DIC starts a place in Cochin then they wont immedeately come and start here.and all of these companies mentioned earlier had no development centres in there DIC office in Dubai.So all these comapanies are more interested in setting up there own facility(If you see the companies you have mentioned earlier are working in
    different places in India, but now they have constructed there own facilities and moved there office there). so why the government is not having discussion with this companies and alloting places for them ????.If the govt can give the plot to
    DIC then what is the problem in inviting other companies mentioned earlier ????.Did the govt
    had any discussion with the all the above mentioned companies to attract to Kerala ????.The central IT minister Maran made lot of MNC like Nokia,intel and Cisco to start there Million dollar
    R&D centres in Tamilnadu and Karnataka.Did our govt did any discussion with these companies ???



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    How many software companies stopped there operation in Kerala and moved to other places ???? so after DIC is setup the "current socio-economic-political scenario" suddnly change ????.

  • #1628
    >>The clients OF DIC Microsoft, Oracle, HP, IBM, Dell, Siemens, Canon, Logica, EDS, Sony Ericsson, SAP, Cisco all are having good development centres in India.so what your trying tell is Once DIC setup here all the companies immedetely come and setup there development centres here ?????.
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    First of all, as Pappu explained earlier, DIC is the investor. It is DIC's headache to entice their clients by offering them competitive rent, facilities, sops etc... If not, they'll incur losses and go out of business. As simple as that...

    Most of the above companies like to lease the space from infrasturcture providers rather than build their own campuses. Even the companies that have built up campuses in Bangalore & Hydrabad like Oracle, HP, Dell, Siemens etc started off by leasing space from infrastructure companies. They do this to minimize the risk & commitment and also to focus more on their competencies. Right now, all these companies have huge expansion plans in India. Bangalore is more or less saturated because of the poor infrastructure, high cost & non-availability of land. That's the reason why there is every possibility that they'll set up their operation in DIC.

    >>all of these companies mentioned earlier had no development centres in there DIC office in Dubai.
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    In Dubai, these companies have set up their operations mainly to market/sell their IT products to Dubai based companies & to service them. There's no scope of software development in Dubai, since it is neither a low cost centre, nor it offers a good talent pool. In India, on the contrary, none of these companies have a market for their products. These companies are here to take advantage of the talent pool available at a low cost.

    To summarise, the main focus of the companies in DIC, Dubai is sales, not engineering. But the main focus of the companies in DIC Cochin will be engineering, not sales.


    >>So all these comapanies are more interested in setting up there own facility(If you see the companies you have mentioned earlier are working in different places in India, but now they have constructed there own facilities and moved there office there). so why the government is not having discussion with this companies and alloting places for them ????
    >>How many software companies stopped there operation in Kerala and moved to other places ????
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    Already answered. In the current socio-economic-political scenario, there are not many MNCs vying for Kerala. How many projects involving MNCs did we sabotage? BMW, GIM, Siemens Transformer plant, the list goes on and on....

    Let me quote another member - Manoj V
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    Which firm has 'focused' on Kerala ? Azim Premji once told that Kerala's 'a hartal a week' policy is scaring the investors and you must be knowing VS' role in that policy. Wipro's Cochin office employs just 40. Kerala's % contribution to the India's revenue is next to zero. Probably ahead of Bihar...

    So we need not break our heads on why can't MNCs come to our Techno Park, "Kinfra Park" , Kairali Park etc ...

    FYI, Tecno park since a dozen years after it's inception could provide employment (direct+indirect) to only 7000 people.

    When Siemens came up with a proposal to set up a transformer plant in Angamaly, our lefties came up with the demand of 51% share ..As usual, allegations, strikes, protest... Did we get 51% ? We GOT ZERO PERCENT..

    Siemens set up the plant in Maharastra... But, we did teach them a lesson !!! They learnt that Keralites are vigorously pursuing their self destruction !
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    And you expect the MNCs believe our leaders, buy land and set up their infrastructure in Kerala?????


    >>so after DIC is setup the "current socio-economic-political scenario" suddnly change
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    The Smart City infrastructure will be such that the strikes and hartal cannot affect it. ie, it will be a self-sufficient zone with residential complexes, super markets etc thereby making it out of bounds to the strikers.

  • #1708
    hello my friend,

    all the info parks are fully occuppied and leela started a new info park, that also fully

    occuppied.now leela is planning second and third phase of infopark.so if the infrastructure

    is there all the companies will come here. so for the infrastructrue our great vikasanam ommen

    chandy should meet the companies and ask them to invest here. instead of making more

    trips in dubai.

  • #1714
    >>all the info parks are fully occuppied and leela started a new info park, that also fully occuppied.
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    Hello Karan, fyi, Leela is not owned by GOK. My point has been that the govt should encourage private infrastructure compaines rather than building infrastructure on its own. In that context only I supported DIC. You, on the other hand said we should encourage software companies like TCS, Infosys etc rather than the space providers. Your exact statement below:

    "If you see the earning of TCS and Infosys it always higher than the dubai internet city, and they are not the space providers(like dubai internet city) but the employment providers. why our govt is not taking any necessary steps to talk to all this companies and ask them to invest in Kerala."

    Now why are you changing your plate Karan???


    >>so if the infrastructure is there all the companies will come here. so for the infrastructrue our great vikasanam ommen chandy should meet the companies and ask them to invest here. instead of making more trips in dubai.
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    So you agree that if the infrastructure is there then all the companies will come here, right? So more the infrastructure, more the companies. So, what is the problem in Chandy inviting companies from Dubai as well, who have very good clientele? That is not done at the cost of any other company that wants to invest in Cochin, right?

  • #1717
    In bangalore there are lot of domestic comapanies they provide infrastructure, like prestige,brigade etc ....., these are domestic comapnies.did our ommen chandy had any discussion with these comapnies ???, or tried a joint venture between kerala govt and these

    private owned comapanies (bangalore it park,tidel park madras).Mr chandy know only one DIC

    and he want to give talk with DIC only.

  • #1718
    Dude, what r you saying?

    During the time of any other chief minister, there was not even one infrastructure provider. Chandy has been successful in bringing atleast a couple of them like DIC, Leela, L&T etc during his 1 year tenure. Also read the article that I posted titled "Kochi Shining" about the investments that are planned.

    So should we congratulate Chandy for his achievements in bringing some investors during his short tenure or blame him for not being able to bring everyone in Karnataka?

  • #1721
    Dear Mr. Kiran,

    You please enquire about Bangalore IT park (ITPL) before talk about that,

    FYI , ITPL is a joint venture with Singapore Consortium and if you are not willing to enquire, just read about Westbengal infrastructure project , which is with Indonesia Saleem Group… Not with domestic companies

    And if domestic company can provide better plan , government can go for it also.


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