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    HOT NEWS - DIC PLANS TO MOVE INTERNET CITY TO HYDERABAD

    Hope everyone in this discussion forrum heard about DIC's comment about V.S's allegations and new requirements. Andrapradesh govt has offered 2000 Acres of land to DIC. DIC officials soon to visit Hyderabad.

    All the politicians in kerala may be happy now because they won in this cheap political game, especially VS and other left comrades.They may be happy beacsue the jobless youngsters of kerala will continue with them for "mudravakyam and harthal".

    Gods own country becoming fools own country.

    God bless all of keralites.
    A well wisher
  • #958
    Benny,

    I missed this news. Do you have a link? I searched Google news, no result.

  • #961
    please go to malayala manorama online news paper and you can find it

  • #963
    Here is the link

    http://manoramaonline.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=manorama/MalArticle/Malfullstory&cid=1118823306804&c=MalArticle&channel=MalNews&p=1009962625312&count=11

  • #964
    Thanks, Benny & Renjit

    Saw the news

    :(

    It is still not too late. But if these morons go ahead with all-party meetings, public debate, scruitiny etc. , then the project is doomed.

  • #965
    Let them go away ..We dont need real estate agents to eat us keeping IT as a sheild.
    KERALA Can still make it with our own money.We dont need this kind of investors.
    If they r so Straight Why they have to RUN AWAY..
    They havent even thought of going away.."The deal is still open" But oommen has to make it public.. Let him make it public.

  • #966
    Dear smartkerala, I'd advise you to search the net about Dubai Internet City before jumping into conclusions.

  • #967
    Smartkerala,
    They are not running away. They are looking at another state that is promising a better deal, if the news is to be believed.

  • #969
    Dear Smart Kerala,
    Always think positively. U simply said "let DIC go away from keral": Who is the looser? Kerala's unemployed youngsters or DIC. They will start their firm either in TN or AP. In this case, who is the looser? Are you a communist Mr. Smart kerala? I am also a communist.

    You said that DIC is a real estate agency. What is the problem even they are a real estate agency. Is kerala govmnt or this useless political parties can provide the facilities for companies like IBM, MICROSOFT etc to build up their offices in kerala? Never.

  • #970
    Dear Benny,

    Vettaan Varunna Pothinodu Vedham oadheettu karyam oondo?

    Don't advise to this Smart Kerala, Praveen, Joseph Joseph, Susheesh Thayyil, etc. They are enslaved by Communism.

    Regards,

    Rivaji

  • #973
    Yes, Benny....

    These leftists are happy with what Kerala has "achieved" so far... If DIC decide to go to Hyd, it will also be written in their 'achievement list'

  • #975
    And Kerala can continue parasiting on the productive Indian/Overseas states. Working for the MNCs is degrading. The least profile that we can consider is that of Bill Gates or Larry Ellison. Let us fight to expel the bourgeoisie who are coming to our impoverished (intellectually & otherwise) homeland to snatch our begging bowls...

    Long live the revolution...

  • #989
    And now for some good news, (whatever little consolation that may be)

    http://www.newindpress.com/NewsItems.asp?ID=IER20050616021701&Page=R&Title=Kerala&Topic=0

    Pinarayi says the CPM is not against Smartcity. They are OK with giving land, but want a provision to take it back if the commitment on job generation fails. Small irritant. Hope it shouldnt be very difficult to iron out the differences and reach a consensus on this.

  • #1003
    No communist is against Smart city . Even VS the so called anti-development plotter told it
    clearly that smart city can be in Kerala .
    And no objections for any realestate person to have it here . But why govt want to give 298 acres of land for Rs 10 crore (net effect) for a real estate guy.
    Let DIC buy land in kochi .Let govt provide them infrastructure . Very good
    why 100 acres of land with infopark for free if it is by a real estate guy.

    also the brahmapuram proj land was aqured by govt for Rs 20,000 per cent . That is being given away .
    DIC itself says they can use this land for recreation /hospitality/apartments etc
    why keep IT guys as a sheild for land scam?

    If AP provides them enough land - they can negotiate .
    AP had an MOM with them early .

    DIC has 615 companies with 5000 employees - ave 8/comp ?
    no assurance on any jobs - and we dont need if a real estate guy starts it
    but if it is a govt project why hesitate to give out truth
    Mr CM itself says 33300 was a reverse figure to make sure govt can gift 100 acres

    Even if govt wants this as a joint venture ,we will appreciate it ,but make sure the govt /people
    gets returns .

    Not because bmw went to haryana or YSR ( Naidu reaped for waht he sow) tries to get this project ,we must bend down.

    More over ,if it is a helthy competition by DIC , why they insist no IT parks must come in Kochi and sorroundings in govt or public private sector ,once they start ?

    The so called giants signed up for Smart city already have big offices in AP . -

    This is a "Manoramised " version . They wants people like Mr Riva (IT CELL ) and his co-ids
    to cry out loud so that more people can abuse honest politicians

    PS - Its good to know that atlast you appreciate comrade Pinarayi Vijayan

  • #1013
    Praveen,

    I have no animosity towards the party. It is just that the the irresponsible behaviour of some leaders is hard to digest.

    You are worried that in Dubai DIC, it has mostly marketing companies. True, but in India, they should be able to attract more development companies because there are many in India. They can put up excellent infrastructure and have the marketing muscles. Good enough.

    The Government is giving land at concessional rate precisely for this reason. If the idea is to have *some* IT park, then the Government can as well auction the land. Who would pick it up? If some developer was interested in such project, they would already be on the lookout. Do you know any such developer?

    The MOU with AP was for something called APFIRST. Quite similar to what prime ministers sign as whtat is called the science and cultural exchange programs. Cosmetic in nature, they don't produce much result. Whereas the Smartcity is for real. It is money being invested to build infrastructure.

    The so-called giants already have offices in AP? Does that mean they will not look at other cities at all? Don't they grow?expand?

    I don't think the clause that "no other IT park should come up in Cochin or surrounding areas" is actually there. It is probably misinformation. No one will ever dare suggest anything like that.

    Hospitality? Apartments? Why not? What DIC suggests is an integrated township. Which is the trend these days.

  • #1029
    Dear Praveen,

    PINNEYUM CHANKARAN THENGIL THANNE. ONNU THAZHE IRANGI REALITY IEKKU VARU MASHE

  • #1034
    Mr Benny - Yes i feel the same . After trying to tell the facts
    many in this forum still feel the same.

    Pappu,
    What is "irresponsible behaviour" of some leaders .
    Why hesitate to insist that a project must be for the interest of the state, as we give 100 acres of land plus inbuilt Infoparkplus
    providing all infastructure.

    I know few companies have requested for land in Kochi .
    It includes 2 companies that currently give 1000 + and 250+ jobs in
    technopark .But IT secretary says we dont have land.
    Many companies want to come down to Kerala and many existing companies are trying to expand

    If Govt gives any help for such ventures I will appreciate it
    But this is a venture to build and rent spaces for ventures that are
    to be registered on STPI


    Why the heck u cannot realise that Smart city is not an IT project .
    IT is a realestate Project .
    I m happy atleast u have agreed that they are planning on a township

    Well they can ,but why Govt misuse the IT policy for such a cause?
    Any DIC can buy land and start one
    But if govt ot provide 100 acres and 198 acres for cheap price (10 crore in total ) we must make sure we get the returns

    If a leader insist so how can it be "irresponsible behaviour" ???

    If the Smart Cty project is a clear one with the interest of state
    we will agree ,let CM make it clear

    VS raised 6 points in his meeting . Let CM answer them

    You all are hypothetical of 333000 jobs for 100 acres
    Why cant leaders with "irresponsible behaviour" be hypothetical in the opposite way as DIC itself could give only 5000 jobs in 615 companies

    If Smart city is a business ,let them start one . no leader will oppose it .but if this is to be in joint with state , and if state is investing on land or infastructure, any leader can raise such valid questions.

    Can anyone tell us if VS is not raising valid questions??
    Dont tell This will go to AP ,so keep quiet .
    If Ap is trying for it ,It is good for DIC ,as many such frauds do host there in AP
    Dont tell just keep quiet ,we need answers
    We will keep quiet ,if DIC will buy land for its real price ,and govt
    not to donate 100 acres and infopark.

    only leaders with "irresponsible behaviour" speak for the state .
    All others take money and let loot the state ,or atleast they are really "irresponsible "

  • #1035
    >>I know few companies have requested for land in Kochi .
    >>It includes 2 companies that currently give 1000 + and 250+ jobs in
    >>technopark .But IT secretary says we dont have land.
    >>Many companies want to come down to Kerala and many existing companies are trying to expand
    ---

    This is a serious allegation. If it is true then I too agree with you completely. If govt is keen to encourage IT investment then it has to show the same willingness to provide land to these companies as well. Kindly answer a few questions of mine in this regard:
    1) If this allegation is true, then it is something that can be proved with solid evidences. Why the oppsition is not doing that?
    2) I never heard opposition raising this allegation. If this is true then shouldn't this be the trump card of the opposition as opposed to baseless allegation of corruption? Why no one in the opposition has raised it so far?


    >>Why the heck u cannot realise that Smart city is not an IT project . IT is a realestate Project .
    >>Well they can ,but why Govt misuse the IT policy for such a cause?
    ---

    If you had taken my advise and read Manoj V's reply then you wouldn't have asked this question. DIC is an IT Infrastructure provider. Do you understand the difference between an IT company and an IT Infrastructure provider? If you are familiar with ITPL in Bangalore, ITPL is an IT infrastucture provider. IT companies operate in the space provided by ITPL. The relationship between Smart City and IT companies is something similar, though they plan for an integrated township as well. Eventhough IT infrastructure can also be classified as real estate, it is not the traditional real estate business that sells 30*40 sites. Your allegation is as ridiculous as alleging that ITPL is into real estate business and they'll sell the land allotted to them as 30*40 sites.


    >>But if govt ot provide 100 acres and 198 acres for cheap price (10 crore in total ) we must make sure we get the returns
    ---

    This reminds me of the story of the goose that laid golden eggs. If you are so eager to get the returns as soon as you start the venture then you'll get neither the venture nor the returns. Ultimately due to the lack of industries the land value will spiral down and you'll finally end up with a good for nothing stretch of land. Instead why can't we follow the Bangalore or Hydrabad model? Initially invite a couple of IT Infrastructure companies, provide them land at subsidised rate and establish the credibility as an IT destination. After that there will be several companies that will be vying to buy the land at the market price itself.


    >>Moreover, most of the benefits that we are providing to DIC is as per the IT policy of Kerala govt. The special concessions being granted to them are very less.
    ---
    Already answered above. Manoj has given more detailed explanation. Kindly read that.


    >>VS raised 6 points in his meeting . Let CM answer them
    ---

    The only point that makes a bit of sense is the provision to recover land if they fail to meet their commitment. This essentially means that we are demanding DIC to shoulder the entire risk in the business. ie, if another software recession strikes the industry anytime during this 10 years, then they'll fail to meet the commitment and the entire infrastucture built by DIC on the allotted land will belong to Kerala State. I'm not sure if they'll be willing to shoulder such a big risk. The other points are all rubbish. Like the govt should hold 51% of the stake??? Funny. The entire investment, except a portion of the land, is made by DIC. How will they give us this much stake? And do you want the same red tapism of govt offices to prevail in Smart City as well? It is funny that on one end, we are disinvesting the PSUs. On the other end, we are demanding majority stake in the private enterprises!!!


    >>You all are hypothetical of 333000 jobs for 100 acres
    >>Why cant leaders with "irresponsible behaviour" be hypothetical in the opposite way as DIC itself could give only 5000 jobs in 615 companies
    ---

    Why do you repeat the same point again & again? Pappu has already answered this point several times in the same forum. Dubai is not a cost effective IT destination like India.


    >>If Smart city is a business ,let them start one . no leader will oppose it .but if this is to be in joint with state , and if state is investing on land or infastructure, any leader can raise such valid questions.
    ---

    The state is providing a portion of land free. That apart, the entire investment is made by DIC. The state is not investing even a single penny in the infrastrucute.


    >>Can anyone tell us if VS is not raising valid questions??
    >>Dont tell This will go to AP ,so keep quiet .
    ---
    No one is asking you to keep quiet for fear of the project going to AP. If you have a valid point, then raise it by all means.


    >>We will keep quiet ,if DIC will buy land for its real price ,and govt
    >>not to donate 100 acres and infopark.
    ---
    Nice try. You can keep quiet throughout your life without seeing a trace of any industry in the state. Unfortunately this is the mentality of most of the Keralites. They want results without effort. No pain, no gain. DIC is not a philantropic organisation to give us jobs and keep us happy.

  • #1036
    Praveen,
    This is a deadlock.

    100 acres cannot be given because 33000 is a hypothetical figure. So whats the way out? DIC should sign up and line up companies, who will pre-recruit and give away appointment letters, so that the Smart City MOU can be signed? LOL.

    OK, that closes the door for DIC. What next, try to attract other companies. But other biggies are not very keen, given the trend so far. One way to attract them is to build world-class infrastructure and market it well. Which means we need to invitie companies like DIC. So call DIC (or anyone similar) for discussion. Things go well. But then DIC is not an IT company, so no special deals for them. And DIC says, hey Cochin is not a terribly attractive location, so unless you give us freebies, we won't set shop here.

    Back to square one.

  • #1037
    2 companies were trying for land in Kochi . No help from govt received.
    I dont want to bring this matter as something opposition will argue for .
    But it is true (Just want to tell you its not baseless)but dont want to comment more on that

    I myself has share in an IT firm ,has requested for more space . No space in Technopark
    or in Infopark . that is the truth .
    Govt must start providing more infrastructure

    Cant give everything away for Private real estate firms

    I dont want to answer your comments , as the debate continues.
    I feel this is a never ending topic . I would rather wait to see how govt deals this .
    This is a big Scam in my understanding.
    I quit ...
    Praveen

  • #1039
    >>I myself has share in an IT firm ,has requested for more space . No space in Technopark
    >>or in Infopark . that is the truth .
    ---

    You are talking about space in infopark/technopark. This is a fundamentally different thing altogether. It is a fact that there's no space left in infopark/technopark. We are talking about giving plain land(not office space) to IT companies/IT Infrastructure companies, so that they can develop the required infrastructure. Mr. G. Vijaya Raghavan is also saying the same thing, that there's no space left in Technopark.

    As for developing the required infrastructure, it is not the govts' competency to build IT Infrastructure. Isn't it better to participate the specialist in this domain rather than govt doing it by itself?
    To show the difference, just compare ITPL with infopark/technopark.


    >>I dont want to answer your comments , as the debate continues.
    >>I feel this is a never ending topic .
    ---

    I beg to disagree. This is not a never ending topic. As I said, if you have any evidence to show that "this is a big scam", we'll accept your claims. Else, why don't you open up your mind to reason? Why do you 'believe' that this is a big scam merely because VS said so? Use your own mind, your own reason and see if what he says makes sense.

    Initially what you said was "I know few companies have requested for land in Kochi". Now what you are saying is "I myself has share in an IT firm ,has requested for more space . No space in Technopark." There's a huge difference in both the statements, the first talks about land and the second talks about infrastructure. What the govt itself says is that there land, but there's no infrastructure.

  • #1040
    I think these Commies, the lieks of Praveen will demand the ouster of organizations like STPI (Software Technology Parks of India), which set up Technology Parks all over india.

    STPI is also not IT Company, but IT Infrastrucure Development Company. Should we oust STPI from Kerala and destroy TVM Technopark?

    See, Dubai Internet City is also like STPI. It is an IT Infrastrucutre Development firm. It is a reputed World-Class organization. I am sure DIC will develop Smart City better than Kerala Government. That is why our governemnt invited them to set up Smart City.

    But foolish Commies will not understand this. Kerala really miss the only sensous Communsit Achutha Menon. (even though I am anti-Communist I respect Achutha Menon). The other two respectable Commies are West bengal CM Buddhadeb Bhattacharjee and his Finance minsiter Asim Das GHupta. All other Commies in India are wastes.


    Regards

    Rivaji

  • #1118
    DID ANYONE SEE ASIAINET NEWS YESTERDAY .EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW WITH US SOFTWARE CEO.
    US SOFTWARE AND ALLANTZ AT TECHNOPARK ASKED FOR MORE SPACE ,IT SECRETARY SAYS GOVT NOT INTERESTED. US SOFTWARE SEND JOBS TO THEIR CHENNAI OPERATIONS.
    1000 JOBS GONE TO CHENNAI .

    THEY WERE ASKING FOR SPACE OR LAND AT KOCHI. GOVT NOT INTERSTED TO HELP SUCH PROJECTS
    THEY GET "BENEFITS" FROM QUATAR AND DUBAI . NOT FROM ANYONE HERE


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